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2.6k points
3 days ago
It's like a crossbow but for maths
450 points
3 days ago
Load it up with a compass and you’ll have yourself a classroom war
88 points
3 days ago
Which is one of the first steps to joining a fine crew of business, like that of The Crimson Permanent Assurance.
48 points
3 days ago
No one expects the Crimson Permanent Assurance.
20 points
3 days ago
16 points
3 days ago
Thats quite the angle you have there
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3 days ago
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41 points
3 days ago
You joke but here is the Tomahawk Angle Trisector It trisects angles.
24 points
3 days ago
Tomahawk Angle Trisector It trisects angles.
Couldn't they have come up with a more descriptive name?
20 points
3 days ago
Well, "The Tomahawk Angle Trisector that Trisects Angles for your Convenience" was taken
12 points
3 days ago
Good old TATTAC
10 points
3 days ago
Does anyone have a video illustrating the use of this tool? No scalping videos, please.
14 points
3 days ago
2 points
3 days ago
perfect. Thanks!
It's amusing that its geometrically impossible to draw a tomahawk in place. At what angle does the tomahawk fail?
3 points
3 days ago
Just draw an arbitrary tomahawk somewhere outside the angle and then transfer the necessary lengths using the compass. Or treat the tomahawk as three congruent right triangles, same thing.
5 points
2 days ago
No scalping videos
Now you're just splitting hairs.
2 points
2 days ago
Mmm sineful.
2 points
2 days ago
I'd like to see a compass do that!
15 points
3 days ago
“Aye sir, where can I buy one of them math crossbows?
83 points
3 days ago
Aisle 5, right next to the trigbuchets and the calcupults.
20 points
3 days ago
Everyone knows the trigbuchet is the superior siege calculator
13 points
3 days ago
It can measure up to 300 mm on up to a 90° angle
2 points
2 days ago
However, it is not recommended that you use the trigbuchet at an exact 90° angle unless you are a good runner.
6 points
3 days ago
The superior Sine weapon.
7 points
3 days ago
x-bow
6 points
3 days ago
I have found X
2 points
3 days ago
And when you fire it you will find the Y
4 points
3 days ago
Weapon of math instruction
35 points
3 days ago
My comment cannot improve upon your excellence, but I felt like I had to say something. Well done, sir.
2 points
3 days ago
I laughed until my both sides hurt. Chef's Kiss This comment.
830 points
3 days ago
Oh hell yes. I want one. I don't know what I'd use it for, but I want it.
908 points
3 days ago*
Grinds my gears that some people don’t get this. Sent my mate a picture of my newly assembled 3018 Chinese mini cnc and he goes “what’s the plan with it?”. I don’t fucking know mate I’ll think of something. I ended up drawing a cock and balls on paper, photographing it, tracing it in Inkscape, then having the cnc engrave it on a Lidl ham chopping board. Happy now lad? A plan, executed.
Edit someone asked so here it is:
https://pasteboard.co/JPNJgtj.jpg
Someone else asked what I think. I bought the cheapest one, I can’t remember the brand. I got the 5.5mw laser too. For the price (£170?) it’s pretty good. It takes a fair bit of work to get it running and it’s not as well supported online as the ender I’ve got so expect to troubleshoot on your own a fair bit. But not hard. The chassis is surprisingly well made, in that it’s all cut square and goes together well. You need to deburr everything but hey it’s dirt cheap. You will need to fettle to eliminate binding but no bother. I suspect they’re identical whichever brand you buy, although perhaps better quality stepper motors - mine don’t seem great but whatever. I’m not sure the laser is worth it - I can’t get it to focus properly but I haven’t really tried much yet, maybe sack the laser, get to know it, and just buy a better laser separately? The spindle motor will definitely get upgraded, although I think you can feed it 36v fine so I might try that first (supplied power block is 24v). Overall, excellent craic highly recommended. Also I 3D printed a pen holder for it so I can also draw cock and balls with a biro on things now too. I alsoOrdered a random selection of cutters up to 7mm end mill, that will be amusing to to try out.
347 points
3 days ago
I bought an old Bridgeport mill and a Clausing lathe. Girlfriend was supportive enough - my money, my garage - but couldn't understand for the life of her what I was planning on making.
More parts for the mill and lathe, dummy. Duh.
92 points
3 days ago
Hahahaha that would be the 3D printer for me. Congrats on the mill and large I had to look up what kind of lathe it was, I know what a Bridgeport is though
66 points
3 days ago
A Clausing Lathe is for making wooden toys, traditionally for Christmas.
14 points
3 days ago
Seems legit.
9 points
3 days ago
So I knew this was a joke, but was curious as to what was special about a Clausing Lathe, turns out it's just a specific brand that doesn't really exist anymore. History
18 points
3 days ago
I shock myself when I 3D print something that isn’t for my printer or build something in my wood shop that isn’t for the shop
42 points
3 days ago
Step 1: buy a bunch of wood shop equipment.
Step 2: Make jigs.
Step 3: fail to make anything else.
Step 4: r/woodworkconfessions
13 points
3 days ago
That's a sub I never knew I needed so much
4 points
3 days ago
I think it resonates with just about anyone who has ever tried to build anything physical.
Hell, it works for coding too, although that’s a bit easier to fix.
15 points
3 days ago
I've got a Bridgeport and an old Logan lathe (think southbend lathe). At the time I got them I knew they'd be handy but I wasn't fully sure what I'd use them for. Now I can't imagine how I got along without them. You're going to really enjoy them.
8 points
3 days ago
I’m jealous. I’ve been keeping an eye out for both, knowing full well that it would permanently kick my wife out of our small 2 car garage since my half is taken up with other tools. And I’d have to run 220V. And at that point I’d want to insulate the garage and rewire some other stuff. Basically there are a ton of reasons I shouldn’t get them, but if I see a decent deal for a machine in good shape I’m going to be so tempted.
7 points
3 days ago
Hell if your going all out install 3 phase and open your future options up
4 points
3 days ago
My Bridgeport is 220V 3 phase (via a phase converter) but the lathe is just 110 and plugs into a normal outlet. Something like that may get you going. Running the 220 in my case was easy since the shop (4 car garage and the main reason I bought the house) already had a 220 circuit for a dryer. I still use the dryer plug but either use it to run my phase converter or use it to run my 220v mig welder. I never need both so switching between the two is fine.
4 points
3 days ago
4 car garage? Now you’re making me think step one is a new house. The 2 car garage is my biggest regret with this house, because I wasn’t into the same hobbies when I bought it. No room to build onto it or build a workshop either. Did you buy your machines at auction or on Craigslist or something else? I’m in Texas also and I probably don’t even know the best places to look, but maybe that’s for the best.
3 points
3 days ago
Yeah it's really a separate metal building. The guy who built it used to build hot rods. I've got it set up with a passable woodshop, small machine shop, and commercial canvas shop complete with 6'x20' sewing table. I've got another small building that's got some other tools in it plus I'm building a small propane forge for it. I'm a sailmaker and sailboat rigger by trade so it's all my workshop.
The machining tools mostly came through buddies. I know several in the industry and people keep their eyes out for me. Lots of machine shops scaled back or shut down when the oilfield last crashed. If you hauled stuff off you could get it for scrap value or less. Craigslist and ebay are both good though if you are willing to go pick stuff up.
3 points
3 days ago
Oh man, picking up an old metal lathe was the best shop decision I ever made. I can't imagine shop life without one now. Ordering bushings, spacers, sleeves, etc? Never again.
6 points
3 days ago
I need to find a friend with a mill/lathe. I have a driven roller for my ancient belt sander made of aluminum- it’s been used so hard the aluminum around the bearing has worn away and now the roller doesn’t ride on the bearing properly. The thing was my grandpas and then my dads and now mine. I refuse to get rid of it bc if not for this damn roller (which is absolutely impossible to find) it would work perfectly.
3 points
3 days ago
I envy you. I 3D printer a CNC and I love it, but a Bridgeport and lathe would get me all hot and bothered
40 points
3 days ago
What's the plan with it?
The plan is to have a mini CNC.
Brilliant plan.
13 points
3 days ago
sounds like it was worth it to me 🤷♀️
9 points
3 days ago
Give it to him for his birthday and simply say "Happy now lad?" on the card.
2 points
2 days ago
I might just do that it’s in April hahahahaha
5 points
3 days ago
The difference between a magician and everyone else is that magicians can make their will manifest.
3 points
3 days ago
Got one too. Started drilling the alu base though, and have had all 3 axes loosen off. Make sure to triple check the grub screws everywhere.
12 points
3 days ago
That's because the base is pre-famulated amulite, surmounted by a malleable logarithmic casing in such a way that the two spurving bearings are in line with the panametric fan.
And don't forget to check the six hydrocoptic marzlevanes, or you could damage your ambifacient lunar waneshaft.
5 points
3 days ago
And watch your dingle arm!
3 points
3 days ago
or you could damage your ambifacient lunar waneshaft.
I modded mine to solar and I’m never changing back
2 points
3 days ago
wow this guy seems to know a lot about this stuff
2 points
3 days ago
Does it effectively prevent side-winding?
2 points
3 days ago
It's technically side-fumbling that is prevented, but I knew what you meant.
3 points
3 days ago
Here's the thing. You said "side-fumbling is side-winding."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a lather who studies panametric fans with ambifacent shafts, I am telling you, specifically, in jargon making, no one calls side-fumbling side-winding. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
2 points
3 days ago
a man with a plan.
2 points
3 days ago
Hey internet stranger, got any more info about your CNC? I have a 3D printer (Ender 3 Pro) and it makes me want a CNC. Any suggestions or recommendations?
25 points
3 days ago
Can one buy this to measure the radius of another’s asscheeks?
12 points
3 days ago*
Only if they're round. It doesn't work for other curves.
2 points
3 days ago
Mine are 100% round. You can measure me if you’d like
15 points
3 days ago
As an electrician, I would kill for this to measure cable bend radii. The tools we have at the shop are literally premeasured quarter pie pieces of metal.
8 points
3 days ago
They're not super expensive. Probably don't need to commit a crime to get one. Try eBay?
5 points
3 days ago
Measure the arc of dat ass and see how much it will take to reach the centre point.
3 points
3 days ago
Fitting things to round things, of course!
2 points
3 days ago
Bring it out at parties.
2 points
3 days ago
So do I. Do you know where I can find one?
2 points
3 days ago
Seems like you would use it to measure a radius
129 points
3 days ago
“Now you tell me.” - Eratosthenes
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3 days ago
He is best known for being the first person to calculate the circumference of the Earth, which he did by using the extensive survey results he could access in his role at the Library; his calculation was remarkably accurate. Eratosthenes
à la explainxkcd
I can't seem to keep his name in memory.
62 points
3 days ago
Just use the simple mnemonic device, "Earth Radius And The Other Stuff That He Equally Noted: Earth Stuff"
22 points
3 days ago
How do I remember what that mnemonic is?
34 points
3 days ago
Just remember "Eratosthenes"
9 points
3 days ago
We all know that most people would use this to help measure girth
2 points
3 days ago
The scale calibration does not appear to go that small
84 points
3 days ago
Calculating uncertainty on this must be a pain.
46 points
3 days ago
I was wondering exacly the same ahaha Even if the tool is super accurate i’m not sure two people will get the same measurement
43 points
3 days ago
I have the inside radius measurement device at work and you're correct, the tool fucking sucks. A huge problem is that the radius isn't linear, so as you get a shallower and shallower curve, your measurement gets less and less accurate.
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3 days ago*
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12 points
3 days ago
You only do a sample size of three parts? Most of our customers wouldn accept anything less than 30 parts. To your point tho, GR&Rs tho are really excellent for understanding where your variation is coming from and if it’s acceptable!
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2 days ago*
Repeatability and reproducibility doesn’t mean it’s right. It’s possible, and often happens, that measurement systems are repeatably and reproducibly wrong.
Edit: grammar
2 points
2 days ago
Accuracy vs precision.
27 points
3 days ago
You calibrate it by setting it on the floor and seeing if it measures the Earth correctly.
9 points
3 days ago
I'm sure it'll give you the right ballpark. Something like 5000km (+/- 100,000km)
5 points
3 days ago
Yeah, I didn’t see any way to ensure the measuring portion is parallel to the circle/arc. Being slightly askew would cause an inaccurate reading.
37 points
3 days ago
Now this is why I subscribe. I don’t even need it and I want one.
26 points
3 days ago
I needed to measure the radius of an object for modeling and asked my teacher about it and she said it didn’t exist
34 points
3 days ago
Pro-tip: if you want to measure <thingy> just google <thingy> gauge. Engineers and scientists have measured virtually everything, and will generally sell you a doohickey to make it easier.
There are probably even tools out there for measuring your thingy, if that's you're thing.
5 points
2 days ago
and will generally sell you a doohickey to make it easier
...for a price. Sometimes a jaw-dropping one, lol.
7 points
3 days ago
No, I'm pretty sure you could set them up to measure a curve and have it fail if it was out of tolerance.
15 points
3 days ago
Puts tool flat on ground
"Checkmate globetards!"
This post is satire in case that's not clear...
144 points
3 days ago*
How it works:
The length of an arc depends on the radius of a circle and the central angle θ. We know that for the angle equal to 360 degrees (2π), the arc length is equal to circumference. Hence, as the proportion between angle and arc length is constant, we can say that:
L / θ = C / 2π
As circumference
C = 2πr,
L / θ = 2πr / 2π
L / θ = r
We find out the arc length formula when multiplying this equation by θ:
L = r * θ
Hence, the arc length is equal to radius multiplied by the central angle (in radians)
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3 days ago
3 points
3 days ago
Best use of that line................Including the one used in the show
2 points
2 days ago
except the dude isnt even right. that is one way to determine the radius, but its not at all how this tool does it.
33 points
3 days ago*
Arc length is not fixed in this gadget - you can see the little slides on the feet. The metal bow is only there for a visual reference (and for marking other objects).
This is simply defining a three point circle, with the linkage hooked up to produce a linear motion as it moves. The scale is arbitrary, and depends on the specific linkage being used.
16 points
3 days ago
Here is proof you are right. The arc length cannot be fixed. The geometry does not allow it.
5 points
3 days ago
Thanks. Yeah, the bow would buckle, it would have to. How this isn't obvious is beyond me.
Even accounting for the slides, the bow will have a lobe between each mounting pin (because it has a constant section) and wouldn't be circular anyway, so it would make a crappy gauge.
2 points
3 days ago
The bow doesn't need to buckle so this doesn't prove anything. The design of the clamping arms is curved and could be angled so that they don't interfere with the bend of the bow. I do agree however that the arc length isn't fixed and that the key mechanism of measurement is identification of three points on a circle from a system of jointed lever arms that mark the distance from a pivot point. The mapping between radius and distance from the pivot point on the scale is nonlinear and is likely a sampling of uniform increments in radius.
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3 days ago
9 points
3 days ago
Yes, you explained the basics of measuring arc length and radii. But this isn't how this contraption works at all.
2 points
3 days ago
I read all of this in Sal Khan's voice.
2 points
2 days ago
Alright nerd, let's fight
I don't understand your magics, bur we're fighting
11 points
3 days ago
2 points
3 days ago
Aaah, so you use it to find the radius of a circle. Now I get it. I was wondering what was it used for.
21 points
3 days ago
Speaking as an engineer, this would be susceptible to a high error variance due to the human element. Speaking as a nerdy guy, this is awesome - it's like the power of geometry incarnated.
4 points
3 days ago
This looks like a less roundabout way of measuring.
6 points
3 days ago
Right? As a machinist I can get you that radius to within three decimals.
4 points
3 days ago
With a simple caliper, I should have said.
2 points
3 days ago
Can you explain how?
5 points
3 days ago
Measure diameter, divide by two.
4 points
3 days ago
Only works if you have most of the circle
7 points
3 days ago
If you measure a chord across the arc, and the rise above it, you can solve for the radius with this formula:
R=( b2 + a2 )/2a
Where a and b are the respective short and long sides of either right triangle formed from the chord and rise.
10 points
3 days ago
This is some trigonometry stuff that I remember none of.
6 points
3 days ago
SIN COS TAN
the three most frightening buttons in existence
2 points
2 days ago
SOH CAH TOA and you're good to go!
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3 days ago*
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106 points
3 days ago*
It's measuring radius by measuring the curvature of the edge.
Imagine the curve it's measuring is part of an invisible circle where that curve fits on the perimeter of that circle. It measures the radius of that invisible circle. The markings on the device have been pre-calculated to convert that curvature to a radius.
This allows you to get the radius of a curve even when there is no complete circle.
27 points
3 days ago
Just to add on, that “invisible circle” is actually called an osculating circle in differential geometry. The radius of that circle at a given point is known as the radius of curvature.
The gauge uses this concept to calculate the radius/diameter of cylindrical and circular objects.
3 points
3 days ago
Fuckin NERDS!
6 points
3 days ago
So by measuring a curve you can know it's circumference if it is a perfect circle, thus getting it's radius? That makes sense. A circle that has an inch circumference is going to have a tighter(?) radius than one that has a foot circumference.
12 points
3 days ago
Yes that's it. Curves don't all fit on circles because they may be elliptical or parabolic or just not particularly regular, but any chosen point on the curve still has a radius which corresponds to the radius of the imaginary circle whose edge has the same curvature as that part of the curve.
6 points
3 days ago
This is how all curves/arcs work. Once you do any CAD work circles just click in your head.
3 points
3 days ago
So by measuring a curve you can know it's circumference if it is a perfect circle
Keep in mind that this tool does not tell you whether the arc is a circle. It only tells you the radius that the circle would be if it was a circle. You need prior knowledge or a different set of tools for this to be effective.
18 points
3 days ago
I’m sure you could determine several qualities of a circle with this device, radius included.
10 points
3 days ago
Exactly. If it is a circle, once you know one thing, most of the rest are related by simple formulas.
6 points
3 days ago
If you know 3 points in a circle (or arc) you can know its diameter/radius.
Its what that tool does. It has 1 fixed point in the middle and 2 on the sides that move (the tool also has a band that goes through those 3 points to help with the measurement but technically its not needed)
The people that invented that tool calculated the ratio between the movement of the two front arms and the 2 back ones that are connected to the lever and how they relate to a circles diameter and printed the scale accordingly
Probably not very accurate if you're looking for high tolerances, but for most workshops its quick and good enough
5 points
3 days ago
It literally shows in the video “radius in inches.” It indirectly measures the radius by directly measuring the arc.
3 points
3 days ago
sure it does.
arclength / inner angle = circumference / 2pi = 2piR / 2pi = R
arclength is usually L or s depending on contect, angle T (for theta).
L/T = R or L = TR.
the magic happens when any one variable is fixed. L is fixed, obviously in the video because its the metal band flexing that never changes length. therefore as the band flexes inwards, L = TR creates a relationship where the angle and the radius are inversely proportional. you only need to know one value, say the angle (as is the case in the video) and the radius is forced.
5 points
3 days ago
Your confidence is sorely misplaced.
It does measure the radius, you can see as much in the video as the measurement it gives is labelled as radius, in inches on one side and millimeters on the other.
This tool has no way to measure degrees of arc. This tool is completely agnostic to whether you're even holding it up to a circular arc or a complete circle.
It's called in outside radius gauge because it measure a radius from the outside of the arc. To measure it from the inside, the arms would have to bend to opposite way. Such a tool also exists, called an "inside radius gauge". Both tools are used to measure the radius of an arc or a circle.
It doesn't "measure the arc in radii", because radii isn't a unit of measure, it's the plural of radius. You're probably thinking of *radians*, which is a unit of measure of angles. While relevant to arcs, it wouldn't be measured directly with this tool.
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3 days ago
2 points
3 days ago
This tool is completely agnostic to whether you're even holding it up to a circular arc or a complete circle.
or even a circular arc. The bow is a visual reference so you don't accidentally try to measure something egregiously non-circular.
2 points
3 days ago
If you know a circle’s curvature then you know it’s radius.
3 points
3 days ago
Is there an equivalent tool to measure inner radius as well?
5 points
3 days ago
Yes, they are called inside radius gauges. They look very similar.
2 points
3 days ago
My guess is to place the piece on a worktable. Then clamp 90 degree stops (I think 9 of them) to the inside radius of the pipe.
3 points
3 days ago
2 points
3 days ago
How small does it measure you think?
11 points
3 days ago
Not that small, petal.
3 points
3 days ago
150 mm from the looks of it.
1 points
3 days ago
Hmmm. Not small enough.
2 points
3 days ago
precision calipers, that's what your looking for. I'd let you use mine but, ye know
2 points
3 days ago
No sir you've got it all wrong. That is a crossbow
2 points
3 days ago
top post typo.
2 points
3 days ago
Technical name: Girthtron.
2 points
3 days ago
Radius? Really?
2 points
3 days ago
*gauge
2 points
3 days ago
Please correct me, because I am probably wrong. I thought the radius was just half of the distance across the circle. Couldnt you just measure across the circle with a normal ruler, and divide by 2?
2 points
2 days ago
Dave Thomas: Alright, Space Ghost, how thick is your neck?
Space Ghost: I'll ask the questions, Dave. How thick is my neck? It's 48 inches.
Dave Thomas: That's a decent sized neck.
Space Ghost: Radius, Dave.
Dave Thomas: 48 inch radius.
Space Ghost: Radius.
Dave Thomas: How do you measure it, with a straightened coat hanger or...
Space Ghost: I just cut my head off and count the rings on my esophagus.
Dave Thomas: Fair enough.
2 points
2 days ago
I have zero need for this and I still want one.
4 points
3 days ago
that’s hot
2 points
3 days ago
I prefer using Trig, keeps me on my toes.
1 points
3 days ago
That's awesome! I always wondered how radius was measured--thanks! Yeah, now I want one too...
2 points
3 days ago*
I work in an industry with a lot of precision tubular parts and haven’t actually seen one of these before. At my facility, Quality Control has a few micrometer sets to measure outer and inner diameters of parts. I’m not sure what they use for the really big stuff (>24”), maybe the big digital caliper. We also have a couple of Pi Tapes.
E: just realized you said radius specifically. They have a special caliper for measuring radius, as well as some radius gauges. Probably some other clever stuff too.
1 points
3 days ago
Just needs attachments for pencils in the arms to draw the perfect circle.
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3 days ago
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3 days ago
And how do you practically use that measurement?
3 points
3 days ago
Imagine you need to replicate a section of handrail, but don't know how far to bend it to get the right shape. This tool will give you the info you need to do that, especially if you need repeatability
4 points
3 days ago
I actually have this exact tool at my job for the exact scenario you're describing (we dont copy, we design and create, sometimes we need curved railings)
I don't trust the tool farther than I can throw it. it sucks a whole lot.
2 points
3 days ago
We bought the inside and outside gauges when we had to make some guarding for an old machine. I’d rather use cardboard and string than these. I had some flanges laser cut based on what I measured, and they were off by a mile.
2 points
3 days ago*
Also would probably be great for stickler-architects. Some of them want proof from the trades that everything has been done exactly as they’ve instructed. This tool would be invaluable for proving that that “funny” looking radius was exactly what they spec’ed
1 points
3 days ago
Neat
1 points
3 days ago
Now try it on the ground. Checkmate round earthers.
1 points
3 days ago
1 points
3 days ago
Usually I've had to do math for that - cool device ..well done!
1 points
3 days ago
I really thought this was a crossbow on my archery sub. Really cool.
1 points
3 days ago
How long until flat earthers start bringing these things to their displays so they can measure the ground and go "sEe, It DoEsN't HaVe A cUrViTuRe"?
1 points
3 days ago
Does Adam Savage know about this?
1 points
3 days ago
i love this sub
1 points
3 days ago
That's awesome, i wish o had a job that needs this Tool.
1 points
3 days ago
Anyone else disappointed this is NOT a crossbow?
1 points
3 days ago
I need this in my life right now.
1 points
3 days ago
When I win the lottery and that show comes to see the house I built it will have one room with the walls covered in all the specialized tools I've seen in the last couple of years here.
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